Comments on: Raising The Level: Orangutans Use Water As A Tool http://anthropology.net/2007/07/06/raising-the-level-orangutans-use-water-as-a-tool/ Beyond bones & stones Sun, 27 May 2012 06:29:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: timaeolithic http://anthropology.net/2007/07/06/raising-the-level-orangutans-use-water-as-a-tool/#comment-1432 Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:30:00 +0000 http://anthropology.net/2007/07/06/raising-the-level-orangutans-use-water-as-a-tool/#comment-1432 Thanks for your comment – Carl Zimmer has an interesting post from 2004, on his site, The Loom, namely ‘Machiavellian Monkeys’, which might address one or two of the points you make regarding what your suggestion “Apes have no reason to suspect nature would ever lie (be misrepresented), unless a more highly evolved species gave them cause to believe otherwise and to extend the periphery of their nature-bound vision”

here’s the url: http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2004/06/30/machiavellian_monkeys.php

Tim

]]> By: Re-post http://anthropology.net/2007/07/06/raising-the-level-orangutans-use-water-as-a-tool/#comment-1303 Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:58:45 +0000 http://anthropology.net/2007/07/06/raising-the-level-orangutans-use-water-as-a-tool/#comment-1303 Do non-enculturated primates, other than the human kind, naturally cohere to “one real vision” (reality) in a troop so that advanced logistics that would “drive anyone mad” is not part of the picture or their daily way of life? There is probably some scientific nomenclature for the variance between instinct and drive in reference to hominids (if you care to elaborate), but would that explain the evolutionary breach of innate trust in the daily discourse that primates of our ilk have completely shattered, with the vastly disparate socioeconomic realities that reign on earth and the limitless bloodshed under the dominion of the genius Homo sapiens?

In part, due to their “next of kin’s” [mankind’s] lack of natural inhibition and perpetual want. Apes have no reason to suspect nature would ever lie (be misrepresented), unless a more highly evolved species gave them cause to believe otherwise and to extend the periphery of their nature-bound vision. In other words, to corrupt the natural focal point of the troop. Much like when a herd of elephants ceases to trumpet and communicate out loud across long distances in order to avoid detection by poachers in their vicinity. Is devolvement a prerequisite to evolution—and in whose interest, collectively speaking, is the alien impetus for hyper-evolution wrought upon the animal kingdom?

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