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		<title>By: La Cueva del Sidrón - Asturias - Mapastur.com</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-13311</link>
		<dc:creator>La Cueva del Sidrón - Asturias - Mapastur.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] es el Homo ergaster africano que llegaron aquí hace unos 2 millones de años aunque hay dudas, quizá fuera asiático. De los 850 fragmentos esqueléticos se ha podido identificar al menos a cinco individuos (un [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] es el Homo ergaster africano que llegaron aquí hace unos 2 millones de años aunque hay dudas, quizá fuera asiático. De los 850 fragmentos esqueléticos se ha podido identificar al menos a cinco individuos (un [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kambiz Kamrani</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-10587</link>
		<dc:creator>Kambiz Kamrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omer, 

Appreciate the enthusiam in your comment, but I wanna make sure you know that forests are larger areas covered with trees and undergrowth. Trees are living things, and support other living things like mammals, birds, reptiles, etc. So I don&#039;t quite get your logic in saying &quot;No life was in Europe.&quot; Do you know what you&#039;re talking about?

Kambiz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omer, </p>
<p>Appreciate the enthusiam in your comment, but I wanna make sure you know that forests are larger areas covered with trees and undergrowth. Trees are living things, and support other living things like mammals, birds, reptiles, etc. So I don&#8217;t quite get your logic in saying &#8220;No life was in Europe.&#8221; Do you know what you&#8217;re talking about?</p>
<p>Kambiz</p>
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		<title>By: Omer</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-10586</link>
		<dc:creator>Omer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats true!
Europe and asia can be called eurasia because they are geographically connected!
Scientisits believe that once europe was forest!
No life was there!
As asia was attached to europe so peeople from asia migrated to europe.
If their genes show mutuations then this can be due to climate factor!
But europeans are asians from this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats true!<br />
Europe and asia can be called eurasia because they are geographically connected!<br />
Scientisits believe that once europe was forest!<br />
No life was there!<br />
As asia was attached to europe so peeople from asia migrated to europe.<br />
If their genes show mutuations then this can be due to climate factor!<br />
But europeans are asians from this article!</p>
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		<title>By: Nine teeth is all it takes to speciate a new Great Ape &#171; Primatology.net</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-3123</link>
		<dc:creator>Nine teeth is all it takes to speciate a new Great Ape &#171; Primatology.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and that was about 7 million years ago. If teeth are the safe-houses of genotype to phenotye, a common understanding in evolutionary studies, the two lines must agree. With a 10 million year old gorilla like ape and a suggestion that the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kambiz Kamrani</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-2816</link>
		<dc:creator>Kambiz Kamrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helene, thanks for your comment. 

When I wrote this, I did not have the paper in my hand. I was running off of what the press said. So that is where I got the multiregional stuff from. 

I got the paper one day later, and reviewed it. You should check it out, &lt;a href=&quot;http://anthropology.net/2007/08/08/martinon-torres-et-al-fail-to-show-an-asian-hominin-dispersal/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Martinón-Torres, et al. fail to show an Asian Hominin Dispersal&lt;/a&gt;. 

Kambiz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helene, thanks for your comment. </p>
<p>When I wrote this, I did not have the paper in my hand. I was running off of what the press said. So that is where I got the multiregional stuff from. </p>
<p>I got the paper one day later, and reviewed it. You should check it out, <a href="http://anthropology.net/2007/08/08/martinon-torres-et-al-fail-to-show-an-asian-hominin-dispersal/" rel="nofollow"><br />
Martinón-Torres, et al. fail to show an Asian Hominin Dispersal</a>. </p>
<p>Kambiz</p>
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		<title>By: Helene</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-2814</link>
		<dc:creator>Helene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that you had not understand the paper. It is not AT ALL about multiregionalism, but it is only about placing some speciation events out of Africa.  It means that the impact of the Asian populations is greater than that of AFrican in the colonization of Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that you had not understand the paper. It is not AT ALL about multiregionalism, but it is only about placing some speciation events out of Africa.  It means that the impact of the Asian populations is greater than that of AFrican in the colonization of Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OK, I read the Geographic article and have a better idea of what is being claimed.&quot; Actually not. I had no better idea than I had originally. Sorry to make all this fuss about nothing, folks. I&#039;ll just go crawl back into my hole of pleistocenic ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OK, I read the Geographic article and have a better idea of what is being claimed.&#8221; Actually not. I had no better idea than I had originally. Sorry to make all this fuss about nothing, folks. I&#8217;ll just go crawl back into my hole of pleistocenic ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-2535</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I read the Geographic article and have a better idea of what is being claimed. Since teeth apparently evolve more slowly than other bones, the implication is that European teeth are like Asiatic teeth from homo erectus Asiatics, not &quot;Out of Africa&quot; Asiatics. This study is therefore being interpreted (by its authors) as supporting multiregionalism. What&#039;s interesting is that the study is making claims about the genetic history -- on the basis of TEETH -- while the REAL genetic evidence -- on the basis of DNA -- points to an origin of modern Europeans in modern Africa, NOT homo erectus.  

This is an old story. The tooth people have always had problems with the replacement theory, going back to the distinction they&#039;ve found between Sinodonts and Sundadonts, which tells them that modern Chinese and Indonesians must be descended from homo erectus with similar teeth.

First of all, if you look around you when people smile, you&#039;ll see that teeth evolve a LOT more quickly than is being claimed since there seems to be a awful lot of VERY different looking teeth just on the people you see around you every day. And that&#039;s AFTER all the orthodontics and bridge building. I was born with some missing teeth, as were all my mother&#039;s brothers, and in exactly the same places. Did that gene come from Africa or Asia, I wonder?

When you are talking genes the proof of the pudding lies in the genes themselves, NOT teeth. The genetic evidence tells us that European, Asiatic, Amerindian, Melanesian, etc., etc. genes ALL come from Africa. If someone can find a gene that determines tooth type and THAT gene can&#039;t be traced to modern humans in Africa then I&#039;ll be impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I read the Geographic article and have a better idea of what is being claimed. Since teeth apparently evolve more slowly than other bones, the implication is that European teeth are like Asiatic teeth from homo erectus Asiatics, not &#8220;Out of Africa&#8221; Asiatics. This study is therefore being interpreted (by its authors) as supporting multiregionalism. What&#8217;s interesting is that the study is making claims about the genetic history &#8212; on the basis of TEETH &#8212; while the REAL genetic evidence &#8212; on the basis of DNA &#8212; points to an origin of modern Europeans in modern Africa, NOT homo erectus.  </p>
<p>This is an old story. The tooth people have always had problems with the replacement theory, going back to the distinction they&#8217;ve found between Sinodonts and Sundadonts, which tells them that modern Chinese and Indonesians must be descended from homo erectus with similar teeth.</p>
<p>First of all, if you look around you when people smile, you&#8217;ll see that teeth evolve a LOT more quickly than is being claimed since there seems to be a awful lot of VERY different looking teeth just on the people you see around you every day. And that&#8217;s AFTER all the orthodontics and bridge building. I was born with some missing teeth, as were all my mother&#8217;s brothers, and in exactly the same places. Did that gene come from Africa or Asia, I wonder?</p>
<p>When you are talking genes the proof of the pudding lies in the genes themselves, NOT teeth. The genetic evidence tells us that European, Asiatic, Amerindian, Melanesian, etc., etc. genes ALL come from Africa. If someone can find a gene that determines tooth type and THAT gene can&#8217;t be traced to modern humans in Africa then I&#8217;ll be impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dental evidence on the Pleistocene Hominin Dispersal &#171; Anthropology.net</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2007/08/06/were-the-first-europeans-fom-asia/#comment-2499</link>
		<dc:creator>Dental evidence on the Pleistocene Hominin Dispersal &#171; Anthropology.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Jump to Comments I hate to be bugging you with these half-assed side notes, but the PNAS paper that I&#8217;ve been swooning over the last couple of days is now [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Grauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the genetic studies I&#039;ve seen place the origin of the first Europeans somewhere in west India, so what&#039;s the big deal? If Africans migrated to India sometime between 90,000 and 60,000 years ago, with their descendants finding their way to Europe between 50,000 and 40,000 ya, then there&#039;d have been plenty of time for their teeth to adapt in all sorts of ways, I&#039;d imagine. I guess the real question here is: what to these folks mean by &quot;Asiatic&quot;? That&#039;s an awfully big continent, with all sorts of teeth rattling around on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the genetic studies I&#8217;ve seen place the origin of the first Europeans somewhere in west India, so what&#8217;s the big deal? If Africans migrated to India sometime between 90,000 and 60,000 years ago, with their descendants finding their way to Europe between 50,000 and 40,000 ya, then there&#8217;d have been plenty of time for their teeth to adapt in all sorts of ways, I&#8217;d imagine. I guess the real question here is: what to these folks mean by &#8220;Asiatic&#8221;? That&#8217;s an awfully big continent, with all sorts of teeth rattling around on it.</p>
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