Comments on: The Indo-European Language Tree http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/ Beyond bones & stones Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:33:20 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: John http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-13296 John Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:17:19 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-13296 http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=25834&PN=1 The diagram is not only interesting to study, but it was also looks nice. Though no diagram is going to please everyone, it has far more detail and includes far more languages than the tree posted. And, yes.... it includes both Gheg and Tosk dialects of Albanian. http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=25834&PN=1

The diagram is not only interesting to study, but it was also looks nice.

Though no diagram is going to please everyone, it has far more detail and includes far more languages than the tree posted. And, yes…. it includes both Gheg and Tosk dialects of Albanian.

]]> By: bele http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-13294 bele Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:54:00 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-13294 Why in your indo evropian branches of the language tree isn't albanian language? Why in your indo evropian branches of the language tree isn’t albanian language?

]]> By: miauzz http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-11131 miauzz Sat, 31 May 2008 02:04:35 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-11131 Although you start to say that there are some languages missing in the tree, i think that Portuguese shouldn't have been left out, since it is the 5th most spoken language in the world (by number of native speakers), way more than Italian for example, that comes in 19th. Of course we don't have pizza, or focaccia, but we are talking about languages... not food :P Although you start to say that there are some languages missing in the tree, i think that Portuguese shouldn’t have been left out, since it is the 5th most spoken language in the world (by number of native speakers), way more than Italian for example, that comes in 19th. Of course we don’t have pizza, or focaccia, but we are talking about languages… not food :P

]]> By: TerryT http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-10425 TerryT Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:47:49 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-10425 Here's a link to some cladistic work done a few years ago: http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/austronesian/files/GrayAtkinson2003.pdf Puts Albanian on a different branch to Armenian and Greek. Connects it more to Persian and Indian languages. However there are several other connections in their tree I have difficulty accepting and I think you're probably correct Kambiz. Here’s a link to some cladistic work done a few years ago:

http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/austronesian/files/GrayAtkinson2003.pdf

Puts Albanian on a different branch to Armenian and Greek. Connects it more to Persian and Indian languages. However there are several other connections in their tree I have difficulty accepting and I think you’re probably correct Kambiz.

]]> By: Kambiz Kamrani http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-10423 Kambiz Kamrani Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:23:15 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-10423 Tod, you're right. This tree was made in the 1990's, and while Albanian was determined to be an Indo-European language in the 1854, it seems like it wasn't considered when making this tree. I did write in the original post that, "many languages are left out." It should fall somewhere between the Armenian and Greek branches. Tod, you’re right. This tree was made in the 1990’s, and while Albanian was determined to be an Indo-European language in the 1854, it seems like it wasn’t considered when making this tree. I did write in the original post that, “many languages are left out.” It should fall somewhere between the Armenian and Greek branches.

]]> By: Tod http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-10407 Tod Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:11:14 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-10407 I can't find albanian in there I can’t find albanian in there

]]> By: Ich bin ein Bilder-Opfer! … äh Kunstliebhaberin | Amys Welt http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-9639 Ich bin ein Bilder-Opfer! … äh Kunstliebhaberin | Amys Welt Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:45:17 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-9639 [...] Anthropology.net: The Indo-European Language Tree [...] [...] Anthropology.net: The Indo-European Language Tree [...]

]]> By: Alex Greengaard http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-9638 Alex Greengaard Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:19:38 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-9638 Excellent point. In their traditional forms, neither tree theory (Stammbaumtheorie) or wave theory (Wellentheorie) account for each other's presence. The fact of the matter is that language changes over time through mechanisms expressed in both theories. Tree theory, as expressed in the illustration above, may account for sound change and analogical change. These types of linguistic change are self sufficient, and will occur over time regardless of outside contact. Wave theory accounts for borrowing, which of course, is well documented in all language areas. The problem with using tree diagrams (and language maps for that matter), is that language changes by all three mechanisms, not just one or two. I would like to see more diagrams which do not require the ommition of important and well observed phenomina. Excellent point. In their traditional forms, neither tree theory (Stammbaumtheorie) or wave theory (Wellentheorie) account for each other’s presence. The fact of the matter is that language changes over time through mechanisms expressed in both theories. Tree theory, as expressed in the illustration above, may account for sound change and analogical change. These types of linguistic change are self sufficient, and will occur over time regardless of outside contact. Wave theory accounts for borrowing, which of course, is well documented in all language areas. The problem with using tree diagrams (and language maps for that matter), is that language changes by all three mechanisms, not just one or two. I would like to see more diagrams which do not require the ommition of important and well observed phenomina.

]]> By: 2.0 Weblogs http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-9636 2.0 Weblogs Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:34:00 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-9636 word, that is cool beans. word, that is cool beans.

]]> By: bouncingbunny http://anthropology.net/2008/02/05/the-indo-european-language-tree/#comment-9635 bouncingbunny Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:19:50 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=677#comment-9635 This tree is accurate enough. Perfect for schools to illustrate the origin of most of the European languages. Although, I'm slightly disappointed because I'm used to seeing the smaller finno-ugric language tree next to the indo-european tree. And as stated by hrdonka, this tree doesn't specify how the current languages have been mixing together. On the other, that's not the point of the tree either. Hm, linguistics is just plain fun... This tree is accurate enough. Perfect for schools to illustrate the origin of most of the European languages. Although, I’m slightly disappointed because I’m used to seeing the smaller finno-ugric language tree next to the indo-european tree.

And as stated by hrdonka, this tree doesn’t specify how the current languages have been mixing together. On the other, that’s not the point of the tree either. Hm, linguistics is just plain fun…

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