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		<title>By: mtDNA research on Pygmy hunter-gathers #Africa &#171; SocioLingo Africa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mtDNA research on Pygmy hunter-gathers #Africa &#171; SocioLingo Africa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: On mtDNA diversity within Africa, before the out of Africa migrations &#171; Anthropology.net</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/02/12/mtdna-shows-pygmy-hunter-gathers-have-a-deep-ancestry-with-bantu-farmers/#comment-10578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On mtDNA diversity within Africa, before the out of Africa migrations &#171; Anthropology.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Y haplogroup, the Y-haplogroup A, indicating they may represent the deepest clade of modern humans. Recent research identified that the pygmy Khoisan populations share an ancestral and indigenous lineage of mtDNA [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Y haplogroup, the Y-haplogroup A, indicating they may represent the deepest clade of modern humans. Recent research identified that the pygmy Khoisan populations share an ancestral and indigenous lineage of mtDNA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amiya Sarkar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amiya Sarkar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mitochondrial DNA is really interesting. All of us inherit it from our mothers, it has significant impact in forensic medicine, one can study anthropological parameters with it, has a role in aging, in addition to their immense importance in producing our energy currencies in the form of ATP. I wrote one topic about it in my url: http://physiology-physics.blogspot.com/2007/10/mitochondria-veiled-lady-of-cell.html
I hope to write about oxidative phosphorylation some time later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitochondrial DNA is really interesting. All of us inherit it from our mothers, it has significant impact in forensic medicine, one can study anthropological parameters with it, has a role in aging, in addition to their immense importance in producing our energy currencies in the form of ATP. I wrote one topic about it in my url: <a href="http://physiology-physics.blogspot.com/2007/10/mitochondria-veiled-lady-of-cell.html" rel="nofollow">http://physiology-physics.blogspot.com/2007/10/mitochondria-veiled-lady-of-cell.html</a><br />
I hope to write about oxidative phosphorylation some time later.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TerryT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Kambiz.  That whole link you provided is fascinating but I haven&#039;t had time to read it all yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kambiz.  That whole link you provided is fascinating but I haven&#8217;t had time to read it all yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Vaclav</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/02/12/mtdna-shows-pygmy-hunter-gathers-have-a-deep-ancestry-with-bantu-farmers/#comment-9709</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vaclav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that is right. So i am sorry for my faulty comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is right. So i am sorry for my faulty comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kambiz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kambiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vaclav, on page 12, I found this,

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;One of the most intractable problems in reconstructing African linguistic prehistory is whether the pygmies ever had their own language. Letouzey (1976) made a preliminary attempt to recover a substrate language through the use of plant names but without any very convincing results. Bahuchet (1992, 1993) presents a challenging view of the history of the pygmy populations, in particular the &lt;strong&gt;Aka and the Baka&lt;/strong&gt;. Despite speaking Niger-Congo languages of quite different genetic affiliation, &lt;strong&gt;these groups prove to have common vocabulary, concerning especially with food-gathering in the rain-forest.&lt;/strong&gt; If Bahuchet is right, then &lt;strong&gt;this vocabulary constitutes a trace of the lost language of the pygmies&lt;/strong&gt;. Bahuchet further argues that the reduction in the rain-forest at the end of the Pleistocene isolated pygmoid groups in relict forest. These groups diffused outwards when the forest began to expand again, eventually encountering the incoming Bantu cultivators. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s all.

Kambiz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaclav, on page 12, I found this,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;One of the most intractable problems in reconstructing African linguistic prehistory is whether the pygmies ever had their own language. Letouzey (1976) made a preliminary attempt to recover a substrate language through the use of plant names but without any very convincing results. Bahuchet (1992, 1993) presents a challenging view of the history of the pygmy populations, in particular the <strong>Aka and the Baka</strong>. Despite speaking Niger-Congo languages of quite different genetic affiliation, <strong>these groups prove to have common vocabulary, concerning especially with food-gathering in the rain-forest.</strong> If Bahuchet is right, then <strong>this vocabulary constitutes a trace of the lost language of the pygmies</strong>. Bahuchet further argues that the reduction in the rain-forest at the end of the Pleistocene isolated pygmoid groups in relict forest. These groups diffused outwards when the forest began to expand again, eventually encountering the incoming Bantu cultivators. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Kambiz</p>
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		<title>By: Farmers and hunter gatherers in Africa at Agricultural Biodiversity Weblog</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/02/12/mtdna-shows-pygmy-hunter-gathers-have-a-deep-ancestry-with-bantu-farmers/#comment-9704</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Farmers and hunter gatherers in Africa at Agricultural Biodiversity Weblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The human genetics of farming transition in Central Africa. Lots more here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The human genetics of farming transition in Central Africa. Lots more here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vaclav</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vaclav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You wrote: &quot;Some genetic and linguistic evidence point to them being direct descendants of hunter-gatherers from the late Stone Age.&quot; i read the referred article, but can not find any linguistic evidence for that. Now all pygmy speaks bantu, (only one eastern groups speaks nilo-saharitic) there are some proposal for substratum, but lots of languages within a family have some substratum. This gives evidence to nothing ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote: &#8220;Some genetic and linguistic evidence point to them being direct descendants of hunter-gatherers from the late Stone Age.&#8221; i read the referred article, but can not find any linguistic evidence for that. Now all pygmy speaks bantu, (only one eastern groups speaks nilo-saharitic) there are some proposal for substratum, but lots of languages within a family have some substratum. This gives evidence to nothing &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The various &quot;pygmy&quot; groups of Africa are of the greatest interest, both genetically and culturally. The most decisive evidence of their historical importance stems, as I see it, from their very distinctive musical traditions, which are almost certainly survivals from the Upper Paleolithic, if not earlier. Neighboring &quot;Bantu&quot; groups tend to share certain features of Pygmy musical style, a phenomenon that has sometimes been attributed to aesthetic influence -- which makes some sense considering the reputation of Pygmies as master musicians among most neighboring &quot;Bantu&quot; groups. 

The meDNA research suggests a somewhat different explanation, however: the influence of Pygmy women taken as wives by &quot;Bantu&quot; men. Since these women might well tend to raise their children according to Pygmy traditions, it&#039;s not difficult to see how certain aspects of Pygmy musical practice could seep in to Bantu culture over time. As the research you&#039;ve referenced suggests, these are relationships that go back thousands of years, so there would have been plenty of time for the musical traditions to meld. 

For more on Pygmy music, its history, and its relation to the music of neighboring non-pygmy groups, see my recently published essay, &quot;New Perspectives on the Kalahari Debate,&quot; in the latest issue of Before Farming: http://www.waspress.co.uk/journals/beforefarming/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The various &#8220;pygmy&#8221; groups of Africa are of the greatest interest, both genetically and culturally. The most decisive evidence of their historical importance stems, as I see it, from their very distinctive musical traditions, which are almost certainly survivals from the Upper Paleolithic, if not earlier. Neighboring &#8220;Bantu&#8221; groups tend to share certain features of Pygmy musical style, a phenomenon that has sometimes been attributed to aesthetic influence &#8212; which makes some sense considering the reputation of Pygmies as master musicians among most neighboring &#8220;Bantu&#8221; groups. </p>
<p>The meDNA research suggests a somewhat different explanation, however: the influence of Pygmy women taken as wives by &#8220;Bantu&#8221; men. Since these women might well tend to raise their children according to Pygmy traditions, it&#8217;s not difficult to see how certain aspects of Pygmy musical practice could seep in to Bantu culture over time. As the research you&#8217;ve referenced suggests, these are relationships that go back thousands of years, so there would have been plenty of time for the musical traditions to meld. </p>
<p>For more on Pygmy music, its history, and its relation to the music of neighboring non-pygmy groups, see my recently published essay, &#8220;New Perspectives on the Kalahari Debate,&#8221; in the latest issue of Before Farming: <a href="http://www.waspress.co.uk/journals/beforefarming/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waspress.co.uk/journals/beforefarming/</a></p>
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