Comments on: Peopling of the Americas: Three Step Model for Colonizing the Americas http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/ Beyond bones & stones Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:03:54 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: pete http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-14505 pete Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:16:55 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-14505 I agree with Vaclav. And then... I think whoever was here, struggled, until the developement of Clovis weapons. The weapons made big game hunting easier and a population explosion then ensued. Archeological and fossil records only show what was common at the time. They don't show when types first appear; they only show when types were common. I agree with Vaclav.

And then…
I think whoever was here, struggled,
until the developement of Clovis weapons.
The weapons made big game hunting easier
and a population explosion then ensued.

Archeological and fossil records
only show what was common at the time.
They don’t show when types first appear;
they only show when types were common.

]]> By: Discrepancy Between Cranial & mtDNA Data Of Early Americans Or Sample Size? « Anthropology.net http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-14173 Discrepancy Between Cranial & mtDNA Data Of Early Americans Or Sample Size? « Anthropology.net Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:55:37 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-14173 [...] the samples come from a 1,500 year time frame…  starting at 7,800 years ago. We know the earliest migrations to the Americas started 40,000 years ago and people didn’t just make a B-line to Argentina. Populations dispersed. So to make [...] [...] the samples come from a 1,500 year time frame…  starting at 7,800 years ago. We know the earliest migrations to the Americas started 40,000 years ago and people didn’t just make a B-line to Argentina. Populations dispersed. So to make [...]

]]> By: terryt http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-12697 terryt Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:09:09 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-12697 DDeden. I think you're proposing an optimistically early date for dugout canoes. The earliest evidence for dugouts does seem to belong in Japan and may have been introduced there from the south but dugouts seem unlikely to be earlier than 10,000 years and perhaps more recent still. Bundles of reeds or skins stretched around a frame are probably earlier. DDeden. I think you’re proposing an optimistically early date for dugout canoes. The earliest evidence for dugouts does seem to belong in Japan and may have been introduced there from the south but dugouts seem unlikely to be earlier than 10,000 years and perhaps more recent still.

Bundles of reeds or skins stretched around a frame are probably earlier.

]]> By: DDeden http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-12691 DDeden Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:35:13 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-12691 See my comment on March 18 here: http://anthropology.net/2007/06/08/on-why-some-humans-have-lost-their-body-hair-why-are-we-the-only-hairless-primate/#comment-12689 Lake Baikal's warm springs were the refuge and source of the AmerIndian migrants, Innuit and Sinitic people. Beringia dammed the cold Arctic-Pacific ocean currents, so the coast was very moderate (warmer than today) while the inland was very harsh (the dam didn't stop the air currents). These early Baikal folks used dugouts (which had originated in their tropical ancestors area where waters were filled with crocs and hippos), a later group (Innuit type) at Baikal hunted Baikal seals which made snow lodges on the ice (to keep their air-holes open for their pups and from which igloos derived), making sealskin ribbed boats followed the north coast to Alaska via the Anggara or Lena rivers from Baikal. So there were two migrant waves from Baikal to the new world, one with dugouts ~20ka that moved slowly into America along the south coast of Beringea, (followed by a separate southward Sinitic migration to Asian coasts ~12ka) then one cold-adapted one with kayaks along the north Beringea coast to Greenland. The NaDene seem to have been part of the AmerIndian dugout group but were delayed (see Ket) before following eastward migrants. I think the original Baikal group were from the Amur river basin (chasing salmon inland following the Amur tectonic plate margin to Baikal) from Jomon/Ainu that had brought dugouts northeast from Java-India-Africa, the same group that split & settled Borneo 44ka, Timor 40ka (tuna bones in cave), Australia 42ka. See my comment on March 18 here: http://anthropology.net/2007/06/08/on-why-some-humans-have-lost-their-body-hair-why-are-we-the-only-hairless-primate/#comment-12689

Lake Baikal’s warm springs were the refuge and source of the AmerIndian migrants, Innuit and Sinitic people. Beringia dammed the cold Arctic-Pacific ocean currents, so the coast was very moderate (warmer than today) while the inland was very harsh (the dam didn’t stop the air currents). These early Baikal folks used dugouts (which had originated in their tropical ancestors area where waters were filled with crocs and hippos), a later group (Innuit type) at Baikal hunted Baikal seals which made snow lodges on the ice (to keep their air-holes open for their pups and from which igloos derived), making sealskin ribbed boats followed the north coast to Alaska via the Anggara or Lena rivers from Baikal.
So there were two migrant waves from Baikal to the new world, one with dugouts ~20ka that moved slowly into America along the south coast of Beringea, (followed by a separate southward Sinitic migration to Asian coasts ~12ka) then one cold-adapted one with kayaks along the north Beringea coast to Greenland. The NaDene seem to have been part of the AmerIndian dugout group but were delayed (see Ket) before following eastward migrants. I think the original Baikal group were from the Amur river basin (chasing salmon inland following the Amur tectonic plate margin to Baikal) from Jomon/Ainu that had brought dugouts northeast from Java-India-Africa, the same group that split & settled Borneo 44ka, Timor 40ka (tuna bones in cave), Australia 42ka.

]]> By: Marcelo http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-12669 Marcelo Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:05:59 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-12669 Hello! I'm not in any way a specialist or even a scientist, but I've had a long interest in this topic. Yes, I believe diffused coast-hugging maritime culture(s)/technology(ies) would have greatly facilitated travel along the Pacific Rim. The peopling of Australia is sufficient evidence of the existence of such capabilities (although the ancestors of the coastal nomads would also have easily beachcombed their way out of Africa to the Asian bridgeheads to Australia without the need for boats). And that's the point. What would induce people to brave such a harsh environment as Beringia, even along the coasts, when the living was so much easier down south? Hello! I’m not in any way a specialist or even a scientist, but I’ve had a long interest in this topic.

Yes, I believe diffused coast-hugging maritime culture(s)/technology(ies) would have greatly facilitated travel along the Pacific Rim. The peopling of Australia is sufficient evidence of the existence of such capabilities (although the ancestors of the coastal nomads would also have easily beachcombed their way out of Africa to the Asian bridgeheads to Australia without the need for boats).

And that’s the point. What would induce people to brave such a harsh environment as Beringia, even along the coasts, when the living was so much easier down south?

]]> By: Peopling Of The Americas: Eva de Naharon, a 13,600 Year Old Skeleton Found Near Tulum, Mexico « Anthropology.net http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-12335 Peopling Of The Americas: Eva de Naharon, a 13,600 Year Old Skeleton Found Near Tulum, Mexico « Anthropology.net Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:25:43 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-12335 [...] is this surprising? Yeah, but not very. Recently, a genetic study suggested that the peopling of the Americas started around 17,000 years ago and a redating of Mexico’s [...] [...] is this surprising? Yeah, but not very. Recently, a genetic study suggested that the peopling of the Americas started around 17,000 years ago and a redating of Mexico’s [...]

]]> By: Redating Mexico’s Toloquilla Footprints with optically stimulated luminescence « Anthropology.net http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-11329 Redating Mexico’s Toloquilla Footprints with optically stimulated luminescence « Anthropology.net Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:14:44 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-11329 [...] we’ve seen a whole slew of studies that focus on this topic but through a genetic lens, the most impactful of which indicates that people began migrating to the Americas roughly 16,000 years [...] [...] we’ve seen a whole slew of studies that focus on this topic but through a genetic lens, the most impactful of which indicates that people began migrating to the Americas roughly 16,000 years [...]

]]> By: How was the world peopled? « Anthropology.net http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-11029 How was the world peopled? « Anthropology.net Mon, 26 May 2008 02:02:10 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-11029 [...] should be revised because a more recent paper, published after this current paper was submitted, suggests that the Americas was peopled in multiple waves. I’m kinda surprised the editors didn’t catch this. I’m less surprised the the [...] [...] should be revised because a more recent paper, published after this current paper was submitted, suggests that the Americas was peopled in multiple waves. I’m kinda surprised the editors didn’t catch this. I’m less surprised the the [...]

]]> By: TerryT http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-9879 TerryT Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:31:50 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-9879 True. Technology can obviously travel independent of genes. True. Technology can obviously travel independent of genes.

]]> By: Repack Rider http://anthropology.net/2008/02/14/peopling-of-the-americas-three-step-model-for-colonizing-the-americas/#comment-9875 Repack Rider Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:45:19 +0000 http://anthropology.net/?p=696#comment-9875 Terry, Thanks for the response. I am not suggesting that the same groups that colonized Australia also colonized the Americas, merely that seagoing technology existed long before the migration into the Americas. This technology could easily have spread through contact with other groups, one of which could have been the ancestors of those who colonized the Americas. Terry,

Thanks for the response. I am not suggesting that the same groups that colonized Australia also colonized the Americas, merely that seagoing technology existed long before the migration into the Americas.

This technology could easily have spread through contact with other groups, one of which could have been the ancestors of those who colonized the Americas.

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