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		<title>By: MICHEL MORVAN</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/02/19/the-siberian-origin-of-na-dene-languages/#comment-11404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MICHEL MORVAN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not very fair to say that it is the first time that a link between Yeniseian and Na-Dene is demonstrated in 2008 by Vajda. Already in 1998 M. Ruhlen has shown this link in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science of USA, n°95, 1998, pp. 13994-13996.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not very fair to say that it is the first time that a link between Yeniseian and Na-Dene is demonstrated in 2008 by Vajda. Already in 1998 M. Ruhlen has shown this link in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science of USA, n°95, 1998, pp. 13994-13996.</p>
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		<title>By: More on Vajda&#8217;s Siberian-Na-Dene Language Link &#171; Anthropology.net</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More on Vajda&#8217;s Siberian-Na-Dene Language Link &#171; Anthropology.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex - Terry T asked me to forward this comment, as for some reason he was unable to post it...

&quot;Alex.  With your interest in Austronesian languages I&#039;d be interested in comments and criticism regarding the following.  I&#039;ve been having a discussion at Dienekes site regarding the southern end of the Sea of
Japan:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/02/pinghua-han-chinese-are-not-of-han.html

&quot;Specifically my comments concern the unusual
distribution of Y-haps O2a and O2b.  Again, my
comments may be controversial but also could be
relevant to considerations for what happened at the northern and western margins of the Sea.

&quot;In fact I reckon here&#039;s what happened: Y-chromosome haplogroup O2 moved along the Korean peninsular to Japan. With the advantage of boating technology developed in the lake that was then the Sea of Japan it was able to move onto the Ryukyu Islands. It then expanded around the South China Sea into South China and islands in Southeast Asia, replacing and mixing with various Y-chromosome C lines who had arrived long before&quot;.

&quot;I also found some links regarding Ryukyu prehistory that provide possible supporting evidence:

http://books.google.com/books? id...2xUGZQ7YqniD_4o

http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/C...es/ okinawa.html

&quot;From an essay I wrote for remote central: &#039;Polished stone tools and new pottery styles, probably associated with the Austric-speaking people, replaced the Hoabinhian culture in Malaysia and Thailand about 3500-3000 BC. Both pottery and the polished stone axe with quadrangular cross section appeared in Borneo by
2500 BC (Bellwood 1978)&#039;.

http://remotecentral.blogspot.co...Terry% 20Toohill

&quot;Fits stunningly close to my theory on the origin and spread of O2 Y-chromosome haplogroup covered above&quot;.

btw, welcome to Anthropology.net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; Terry T asked me to forward this comment, as for some reason he was unable to post it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Alex.  With your interest in Austronesian languages I&#8217;d be interested in comments and criticism regarding the following.  I&#8217;ve been having a discussion at Dienekes site regarding the southern end of the Sea of<br />
Japan:</p>
<p><a href="http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/02/pinghua-han-chinese-are-not-of-han.html" rel="nofollow">http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/02/pinghua-han-chinese-are-not-of-han.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Specifically my comments concern the unusual<br />
distribution of Y-haps O2a and O2b.  Again, my<br />
comments may be controversial but also could be<br />
relevant to considerations for what happened at the northern and western margins of the Sea.</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact I reckon here&#8217;s what happened: Y-chromosome haplogroup O2 moved along the Korean peninsular to Japan. With the advantage of boating technology developed in the lake that was then the Sea of Japan it was able to move onto the Ryukyu Islands. It then expanded around the South China Sea into South China and islands in Southeast Asia, replacing and mixing with various Y-chromosome C lines who had arrived long before&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I also found some links regarding Ryukyu prehistory that provide possible supporting evidence:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?</a> id&#8230;2xUGZQ7YqniD_4o</p>
<p><a href="http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/C...es/" rel="nofollow">http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/C&#8230;es/</a> okinawa.html</p>
<p>&#8220;From an essay I wrote for remote central: &#8216;Polished stone tools and new pottery styles, probably associated with the Austric-speaking people, replaced the Hoabinhian culture in Malaysia and Thailand about 3500-3000 BC. Both pottery and the polished stone axe with quadrangular cross section appeared in Borneo by<br />
2500 BC (Bellwood 1978)&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://remotecentral.blogspot.co...Terry%" rel="nofollow">http://remotecentral.blogspot.co&#8230;Terry%</a> 20Toohill</p>
<p>&#8220;Fits stunningly close to my theory on the origin and spread of O2 Y-chromosome haplogroup covered above&#8221;.</p>
<p>btw, welcome to Anthropology.net</p>
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		<title>By: TerryT</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex.  With your interest in Austronesian languages I&#039;d be interested in comments and criticism regarding the following.  I&#039;ve been having a discussion at Dienekes site regarding the southern end of the Sea of Japan: 

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/02/pinghua-han-chinese-are-not-of-han.html

Specifically my comments concern the unusual distribution of Y-haps O2a and O2b.  Again, my comments may be controversial but also could be relevant to considerations for what happened also at the northern and western margins of the Sea.  

&quot;In fact I reckon here&#039;s what happened: Y-chromosome haplogroup O2 moved along the Korean peninsular to Japan. With the advantage of boating technology developed in the lake that was then the Sea of Japan it was able to move onto the Ryukyu Islands. It then expanded around the South China Sea into South China and islands in Southeast Asia, replacing and mixing with various Y-chromosome C lines who had arrived long before&quot;. 

I also found some links regarding Ryukyu prehistory that provide possible supporting evidence: 

http://books.google.com/books? id...2xUGZQ7YqniD_4o

http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/C...es/ okinawa.html

From an essay I wrote for remotecentral: &quot;Polished stone tools and new pottery styles, probably associated with the Austric-speaking people, replaced the Hoabinhian culture in Malaysia and Thailand about 3500-3000 BC. Both pottery and the polished stone axe with quadrangular cross section appeared in Borneo by 2500 BC (Bellwood 1978)&quot;. 

http://remotecentral.blogspot.co...Terry% 20Toohill

&#039;Fits stunningly close to my theory on the origin and spread of O2 Y-chromosome haplogroup covered above&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex.  With your interest in Austronesian languages I&#8217;d be interested in comments and criticism regarding the following.  I&#8217;ve been having a discussion at Dienekes site regarding the southern end of the Sea of Japan: </p>
<p><a href="http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/02/pinghua-han-chinese-are-not-of-han.html" rel="nofollow">http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/02/pinghua-han-chinese-are-not-of-han.html</a></p>
<p>Specifically my comments concern the unusual distribution of Y-haps O2a and O2b.  Again, my comments may be controversial but also could be relevant to considerations for what happened also at the northern and western margins of the Sea.  </p>
<p>&#8220;In fact I reckon here&#8217;s what happened: Y-chromosome haplogroup O2 moved along the Korean peninsular to Japan. With the advantage of boating technology developed in the lake that was then the Sea of Japan it was able to move onto the Ryukyu Islands. It then expanded around the South China Sea into South China and islands in Southeast Asia, replacing and mixing with various Y-chromosome C lines who had arrived long before&#8221;. </p>
<p>I also found some links regarding Ryukyu prehistory that provide possible supporting evidence: </p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?</a> id&#8230;2xUGZQ7YqniD_4o</p>
<p><a href="http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/C...es/" rel="nofollow">http://www.t-net.ne.jp/~keally/C&#8230;es/</a> okinawa.html</p>
<p>From an essay I wrote for remotecentral: &#8220;Polished stone tools and new pottery styles, probably associated with the Austric-speaking people, replaced the Hoabinhian culture in Malaysia and Thailand about 3500-3000 BC. Both pottery and the polished stone axe with quadrangular cross section appeared in Borneo by 2500 BC (Bellwood 1978)&#8221;. </p>
<p><a href="http://remotecentral.blogspot.co...Terry%" rel="nofollow">http://remotecentral.blogspot.co&#8230;Terry%</a> 20Toohill</p>
<p>&#8216;Fits stunningly close to my theory on the origin and spread of O2 Y-chromosome haplogroup covered above&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryT</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/02/19/the-siberian-origin-of-na-dene-languages/#comment-9760</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Alexgreengaard.  I&#039;d agree that my statement is controversial.  May be totally way off the mark but I think it&#039;s worth considering.  And it certainly makes sense that Kennewick could have Joman origins.  I&#039;ll try to follow up on the book you mention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alexgreengaard.  I&#8217;d agree that my statement is controversial.  May be totally way off the mark but I think it&#8217;s worth considering.  And it certainly makes sense that Kennewick could have Joman origins.  I&#8217;ll try to follow up on the book you mention.</p>
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		<title>By: alexgreengaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexgreengaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comment. I would call your statement controversial, but I remembered hearing a similar statement from an archaeologist, John Olsen. He was referring to John Turk&#039;s book &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Wake-Jomon-Jon-Turk/dp/0071449027&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In the Wake of Jomon&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; which made claims about the origins of Kennewick Man, a prehistoric (C14 dated at 9,300 BP) skeleton found near the Columbia River in Washington. In the book, Turk suggests that Kennewick Man may have originated in Jomon Age Japan, a claim supported by associated dugout canoe remnants. As far as I know, these claims are supported chiefly by seriation; leaving out essential genetic and linguistic data. Perhaps Vajda&#039;s paper will reopen the door for Turk&#039;s line of questioning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. I would call your statement controversial, but I remembered hearing a similar statement from an archaeologist, John Olsen. He was referring to John Turk&#8217;s book &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Wake-Jomon-Jon-Turk/dp/0071449027" rel="nofollow">In the Wake of Jomon</a>,&#8221; which made claims about the origins of Kennewick Man, a prehistoric (C14 dated at 9,300 BP) skeleton found near the Columbia River in Washington. In the book, Turk suggests that Kennewick Man may have originated in Jomon Age Japan, a claim supported by associated dugout canoe remnants. As far as I know, these claims are supported chiefly by seriation; leaving out essential genetic and linguistic data. Perhaps Vajda&#8217;s paper will reopen the door for Turk&#8217;s line of questioning.</p>
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		<title>By: TerryT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TerryT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[look forward to hearing more about that.  In his book &quot;The Great Human Diasporas&quot; Cavalli-Sforza mentions that fishing developed as a major activity in thwe Sea of Japan while it was still connected to the mainland during the last ice age.  He goes on to suggest a genetic expansion centred on Japan that shows up in his third principal component for Asia &quot;may be linked to one of the old stone-age or Paleolithic migrations from eastern Asia to America&quot;.  As a result I&#039;ve long thought there may be a connection between the Na-Dene group, the controversial Austric group and the Yeniseic.  Probably originally centred around the Sea of Japan and based on improved boating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look forward to hearing more about that.  In his book &#8220;The Great Human Diasporas&#8221; Cavalli-Sforza mentions that fishing developed as a major activity in thwe Sea of Japan while it was still connected to the mainland during the last ice age.  He goes on to suggest a genetic expansion centred on Japan that shows up in his third principal component for Asia &#8220;may be linked to one of the old stone-age or Paleolithic migrations from eastern Asia to America&#8221;.  As a result I&#8217;ve long thought there may be a connection between the Na-Dene group, the controversial Austric group and the Yeniseic.  Probably originally centred around the Sea of Japan and based on improved boating.</p>
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		<title>By: Introducing Alex Greengaard &#171; Anthropology.net</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Introducing Alex Greengaard &#171; Anthropology.net]]></dc:creator>
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