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	<title>Comments on: David Harrison speaks about &#8220;When Languages Die&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: greenmagnolias</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-14411</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow!  This De Swann guy sounds like an insensitive jerk.  If history had run a different course, I wonder if he&#039;d abandon Dutch...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  This De Swann guy sounds like an insensitive jerk.  If history had run a different course, I wonder if he&#8217;d abandon Dutch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kerim</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-11199</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK. I finally had time to watch this, or at least part of it. I&#039;m not sure I understand what is gained by using intellectual property law in this way. I just finished reading the book &quot;Who Owns Native Culture&quot; which is very critical of attempts to hijack IP law to protect indigenous rights (the author is pro-indigenous rights, just anti using IP law in this way). IP was not designed for this, and there are lots of reasons why we should be limiting the scope of IP law rather than expanding it. But I&#039;m mostly dumbfounded by trying to think how this could help language preservation and I&#039;d have to see a fuller argument before I could comment on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I finally had time to watch this, or at least part of it. I&#8217;m not sure I understand what is gained by using intellectual property law in this way. I just finished reading the book &#8220;Who Owns Native Culture&#8221; which is very critical of attempts to hijack IP law to protect indigenous rights (the author is pro-indigenous rights, just anti using IP law in this way). IP was not designed for this, and there are lots of reasons why we should be limiting the scope of IP law rather than expanding it. But I&#8217;m mostly dumbfounded by trying to think how this could help language preservation and I&#8217;d have to see a fuller argument before I could comment on it.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-11097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[8) = 2008, of course]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8) = 2008, of course</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-11095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 05:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Related (in a way):

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080521/full/453446a.html?s=news_rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Language: The language barrier&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Published online 21 May 2008 &#124; Nature 453, - (2008) &#124; doi:10.1038/453446a

You need access to Nature&#039;s &lt;i&gt;premium&lt;/i&gt; content to read the full article.

Also, make sure to check out the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related (in a way):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080521/full/453446a.html?s=news_rss" rel="nofollow"><b>Language: The language barrier</b></a><br />
Published online 21 May 2008 | Nature 453, &#8211; (2008) | doi:10.1038/453446a</p>
<p>You need access to Nature&#8217;s <i>premium</i> content to read the full article.</p>
<p>Also, make sure to check out the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Round Up #13 &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wednesday Round Up #13 &#171; Neuroanthropology]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Kamrani, David Harrison Speaks About “When Languages Die” Great video on language loss, language ownership, and human [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kamrani, David Harrison Speaks About “When Languages Die” Great video on language loss, language ownership, and human [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-11079</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kambiz, everything you&#039;re saying makes sense to me. There&#039;s no need for the condescending tone. But I still have the feeling that I&#039;m the only one here who has read de Swaan&#039;s article...

Please answer my question: Why do you think that the survival of languages is under the same law that governs the survival of species?

I&#039;m off to my exam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kambiz, everything you&#8217;re saying makes sense to me. There&#8217;s no need for the condescending tone. But I still have the feeling that I&#8217;m the only one here who has read de Swaan&#8217;s article&#8230;</p>
<p>Please answer my question: Why do you think that the survival of languages is under the same law that governs the survival of species?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off to my exam.</p>
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		<title>By: Kambiz</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-11076</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kambiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie and then JB,

You are right, languages are constantly changing. But they change just like tools, species, and ethnicities change. They are subject to the same forces and laws that dictate if we find a certain tool useful or if a particular species provides some additive benefit to the ecology of an environment. Nothing has been static throughout time, but each snapshot of time has proven to be useful to understand how humans got here, who humans were and who we are now. To passively and ignorantly erase entire volumes of the human experience does not help.

Reducing a dead or dying language to an unused tool is extremely flawed... especially speaking to a group of anthropologists. So what if it is an unused tool? It still has a lot of information packed in it and as thorough researchers of the human experience we need to extract as much as we can before it is lost for good. Try telling an archaeologist who studies Oldowan era stone flakes and cores that his or her research is based upon &#039;unused, dead&#039; effectively useless tools. I&#039;m more than positive you&#039;ll get a nice, humbling lecture telling you how important it is to study &#039;dead&#039; tools. 

Kambiz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie and then JB,</p>
<p>You are right, languages are constantly changing. But they change just like tools, species, and ethnicities change. They are subject to the same forces and laws that dictate if we find a certain tool useful or if a particular species provides some additive benefit to the ecology of an environment. Nothing has been static throughout time, but each snapshot of time has proven to be useful to understand how humans got here, who humans were and who we are now. To passively and ignorantly erase entire volumes of the human experience does not help.</p>
<p>Reducing a dead or dying language to an unused tool is extremely flawed&#8230; especially speaking to a group of anthropologists. So what if it is an unused tool? It still has a lot of information packed in it and as thorough researchers of the human experience we need to extract as much as we can before it is lost for good. Try telling an archaeologist who studies Oldowan era stone flakes and cores that his or her research is based upon &#8216;unused, dead&#8217; effectively useless tools. I&#8217;m more than positive you&#8217;ll get a nice, humbling lecture telling you how important it is to study &#8216;dead&#8217; tools. </p>
<p>Kambiz</p>
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		<title>By: LevMichael</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/05/26/david-harrison-speaks-about-when-languages-die/#comment-11075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LevMichael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is important to note that members of endangered language communities are typically multilingual, so the argument that endangered language preservation somehow impede education or economic advancement is a non-starter. The claim that the languages in question somehow isolate the communities in which they are spoken does not jibe with my own experiences in Latin America.

Furthermore, communities generally abandon ancestral languages not for strictly utilitarian reasons (e.g. education), but due to a broader rejection of indigenous or minority identity, which is in turn motivated by the racism these communities face from the dominant society in which they participate.

Since I have not read de Swaan&#039;s piece, it is not clear to me to what degree he, or his supporters in this thread, have considered these two points. But taken together, I think they undermine the position as expressed in the abstract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to note that members of endangered language communities are typically multilingual, so the argument that endangered language preservation somehow impede education or economic advancement is a non-starter. The claim that the languages in question somehow isolate the communities in which they are spoken does not jibe with my own experiences in Latin America.</p>
<p>Furthermore, communities generally abandon ancestral languages not for strictly utilitarian reasons (e.g. education), but due to a broader rejection of indigenous or minority identity, which is in turn motivated by the racism these communities face from the dominant society in which they participate.</p>
<p>Since I have not read de Swaan&#8217;s piece, it is not clear to me to what degree he, or his supporters in this thread, have considered these two points. But taken together, I think they undermine the position as expressed in the abstract.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie, that is not an entirely different opinion from de Swaan, I think. 

There are many reasons for why languages  &quot;die.&quot; Sure, this will lead to information loss, as dr. Harrison points out, that&#039;s why language needs to be studied. But there&#039;s a misguided ideology behind some language conservation efforts, and that&#039;s that de Swaan is trying to expose.

I&#039;m going to bed, I have an other exam to do tomorrow. Interestingly enough it&#039;s a language exam: English...

Good night! I hope to see some more contributions tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, that is not an entirely different opinion from de Swaan, I think. </p>
<p>There are many reasons for why languages  &#8220;die.&#8221; Sure, this will lead to information loss, as dr. Harrison points out, that&#8217;s why language needs to be studied. But there&#8217;s a misguided ideology behind some language conservation efforts, and that&#8217;s that de Swaan is trying to expose.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to bed, I have an other exam to do tomorrow. Interestingly enough it&#8217;s a language exam: English&#8230;</p>
<p>Good night! I hope to see some more contributions tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am afraid I agree that language extinction is not a real problem but perhaps for a different reason. Languages are constantly changing if they are &quot;alive&quot; and will become completely different over time. They are tools, not species or ethnicities. Documenting a language is worthwhile but provides a static snapshot derived  at the time of documentation. A dead language is an unused tool thats all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am afraid I agree that language extinction is not a real problem but perhaps for a different reason. Languages are constantly changing if they are &#8220;alive&#8221; and will become completely different over time. They are tools, not species or ethnicities. Documenting a language is worthwhile but provides a static snapshot derived  at the time of documentation. A dead language is an unused tool thats all.</p>
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