Comments on: Why There Is Such A High Percentage Of Amerindian mtDNA And European Y-Chromosome Signatures In The Caribbean http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/ Beyond bones & stones Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:03:54 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: terryt http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-13233 terryt Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:09:54 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-13233 Yes. The Ocean going canoes were huge double-hulled jobs. The sweet potato is an extremely interesting vegetable. As you say, the Polynesians had it, apparently when the first Europeans entered the Pacific. Yet its origin lies in South America. I believe it's possible it came into the Pacific with the first Spaniards, but unlikely. Yes. The Ocean going canoes were huge double-hulled jobs.

The sweet potato is an extremely interesting vegetable. As you say, the Polynesians had it, apparently when the first Europeans entered the Pacific. Yet its origin lies in South America. I believe it’s possible it came into the Pacific with the first Spaniards, but unlikely.

]]> By: Derby http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-13231 Derby Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:08:29 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-13231 I am reading "The Seven Daughters of Eve" that tells of the canoes being 30 meters long and "double-hulled" which kept the canoe from capsizing much like the "outrigger" does on a catamaran. The item that trails the Polynesians was the sweet potato. The precence of the sweet potato showed the Polynesians had been there. I am reading “The Seven Daughters of Eve” that tells of the canoes being 30 meters long and “double-hulled” which kept the canoe from capsizing much like the “outrigger” does on a catamaran.
The item that trails the Polynesians was the sweet potato. The precence of the sweet potato showed the Polynesians had been there.

]]> By: terryt http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-12050 terryt Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:55:12 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-12050 I'm not surprised it's shown to be flawed. Polynesians used dugout canoes. They did sometimes use planks to raise the sides however. I’m not surprised it’s shown to be flawed. Polynesians used dugout canoes. They did sometimes use planks to raise the sides however.

]]> By: Katherine http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-12046 Katherine Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:12:36 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-12046 I remember something about chickens in South America and something in California (can’t remember what) suggestive of Polynesian arrival. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote above from terryt. The California paper concerned plank wood canoes. But that paper has also been shown to be flawed. I remember something about chickens in South America and something in California (can’t remember what) suggestive of Polynesian arrival.

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Quote above from terryt.

The California paper concerned plank wood canoes. But that paper has also been shown to be flawed.

]]> By: Emilia Liz http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-11977 Emilia Liz Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:06:25 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-11977 One comment that's rarely made about miscegenation in Latin America is that many Native women deliberately CHOSE to pair up with European men. In fact, chronicles from that region are full of accounts of Native women who left husbands of their own race to go with White men. And one chronicle says that if these women had already had children with their Native husbands, they treated their later-born half-White offspring much better. That's probably why Native Y chromosomes have virtually disappeared from many Latin American mixed-race populations. One comment that’s rarely made about miscegenation in Latin America is that many Native women deliberately CHOSE to pair up with European men. In fact, chronicles from that region are full of accounts of Native women who left husbands of their own race to go with White men. And one chronicle says that if these women had already had children with their Native husbands, they treated their later-born half-White offspring much better. That’s probably why Native Y chromosomes have virtually disappeared from many Latin American mixed-race populations.

]]> By: terryt http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-11954 terryt Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:50:47 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-11954 Now that's a coincidence isn't it. Thanks for the links. seems the only evidence now is the dating, but we all know how inacurrate that can be. Now that’s a coincidence isn’t it. Thanks for the links. seems the only evidence now is the dating, but we all know how inacurrate that can be.

]]> By: Ancient Chilean Chicken May Not Be Of Polynesian Origin « Anthropology.net http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-11952 Ancient Chilean Chicken May Not Be Of Polynesian Origin « Anthropology.net Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:22:58 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-11952 [...] Jump to Comments It is coincidental that a regular Anthropology.net commenter, Terry, just posted a comment about last year’s study on the origins of early American chicken because PNAS published a new [...] [...] Jump to Comments It is coincidental that a regular Anthropology.net commenter, Terry, just posted a comment about last year’s study on the origins of early American chicken because PNAS published a new [...]

]]> By: Kambiz Kamrani http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-11942 Kambiz Kamrani Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:08:30 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-11942 Yeah, I remember the chicken DNA paper as well. Funny you mention that, there's a new paper on that subject, check out these press releases, "<a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/07/080728-polynesia-chicken.html" rel="nofollow">Chicken Bone Spurs Debate Over Americas' First Visitors</a>," and "'<a href="http://www.physorg.com/news136544792.html" rel="nofollow">Chicken and chips' theory of Pacific migration</a>." Yeah, I remember the chicken DNA paper as well. Funny you mention that, there’s a new paper on that subject, check out these press releases, “Chicken Bone Spurs Debate Over Americas’ First Visitors,” and “‘Chicken and chips’ theory of Pacific migration.”

]]> By: terryt http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-11940 terryt Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:26:43 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-11940 It's alright thanks Kambiz. I know there's no human genetic evidence but there is a smattering of other evidence. I remember something about chickens in South America and something in California (can't remember what) suggestive of Polynesian arrival. It would sort of make sense that once the Polynesians began believing Maui was fishing up islands for them they'd just keep going. They didn't get to the Galapagos although those islands would be pretty easy to miss. It’s alright thanks Kambiz. I know there’s no human genetic evidence but there is a smattering of other evidence. I remember something about chickens in South America and something in California (can’t remember what) suggestive of Polynesian arrival. It would sort of make sense that once the Polynesians began believing Maui was fishing up islands for them they’d just keep going. They didn’t get to the Galapagos although those islands would be pretty easy to miss.

]]> By: Kambiz Kamrani http://anthropology.net/2008/07/24/why-there-is-such-a-high-percentage-of-amerindian-mtdna-and-european-y-chromosome-signatures-in-the-caribbean/#comment-11928 Kambiz Kamrani Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:51:32 +0000 http://anthropologynet.wordpress.com/?p=1054#comment-11928 Terry, a recent paper has shown that there is not a detectable <em>lasting</em> Polynesian genetic signature in Amerindians -- I forgot if it was in the three-wave colonization of the Americas or some other study. I can track it down for you, if you want. Kambiz Terry, a recent paper has shown that there is not a detectable lasting Polynesian genetic signature in Amerindians — I forgot if it was in the three-wave colonization of the Americas or some other study. I can track it down for you, if you want.

Kambiz

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