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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-29899</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neanderthals were not the stupid brutes that the Victorians imagined they were. However they were very different from humans in a number of ways, and these probably contributed to their eventual demise.

1) Studies of muscle attachments show Neanderthals were about twice as strong as humans, and injury patterns show that they killed large animals with thrusting spears in close in hand to hand engagements. Neanderthals are built for ambush hunting from fixed sites.

Studies of humans show that far from being nature&#039;s wimps in terms physical ability as is usually presumed, in one aspect - endurance running, humans can beat all other animals hands down. When it comes to running down animals over a distance of 5 to 25 miles, humans can best all other animals except the horse family and the dog family. Humans can also beat horses and dogs at any distance over 5 miles in hot weather like they would encounter in their native Africa. Humans are built for following migrating herds and hunting by running animals down. Studies have shown that early humans used projectile weapons including spear throwers to kill at a distance rather than getting close in.

The two different lifestyles would have given humans and Neanderthals different advantages and disadvantages in different environments. However the change from forest to steppe would definitely favoured humans.

2) It isn&#039;t true to say Neanderthals were more intelligent than humans, although Neanderthals certainly weren&#039;t stupid brutes. The fact is that we simply don&#039;t know. We know Neanderthals had marginally larger brains than modern humans, but humans displayed a far more complex culture and social behaviour, including the making of ornaments, works of art etc. - traits which are distinctly human. 

There is one major developmental difference between humans and Neanderthals which has been proven scientifically by examining teeth for daily growth ring patterns. Neanderthals reached adulthood at eight years old, and dis not go through a teenage phase - like chimpanzees, while humans reach reproductive age at 12-14 years and are not fully grown until 16-18 years. Human brain development is unusually prolonged, and isn&#039;t complete until 18-20 years or more than three times the time it takes Neanderthals to develop fully. What this slow development allows is for the human brain is being rewired according to environmental experiences. In particular, a human child has an incredible and innate ability to assimilate language at a phenomenal rate - something adults cannot later match. The language learning ability is the ability to recognise patterns and associations in this case in speech. However it is paralleled in other forms of symbolic recognition - writing, music, visual representations in the form of art work etc. which are all particular characteristic of humans. I suspect that like human adults who find it difficult to match the language learning abilities of children, Neanderthals would have found it difficult to match humans in the ability to learn language and abstract symbolic representations despite their slightly larger brains. Put simply, humans can more efficiently use their brain cells for abstract concepts, because they leave brain development late, and so can hardwire their brains to match specific languages and symbolic representations.

This would have made Neanderthals culturally more simple, and less able to pass on complicated information from one generation to another - for example explaining how to find a migration route hundreds of miles long to somebody who has never seen it before, or recounting far flung relatives and explaining which of these owe you favours, or proving you are who you are to relatives who owe you a favour by recounting old childhood memories only you would know. 

3) Recent evidence has supported the &quot;swamped 10 to 1 by immigrants&quot; theory as the reason for the extinction of the Neanderthals. The question is how humans were able to exist in larger numbers in Europe when the Neanderthals were better adapted physically to Europe, and would have been able to breed faster because they reached adulthood at only eight years old. 

There is only one answer to this question, and that is that humans must have been able to exploit Europe more intensively than Neanderthals in order for the area to be able to support an order of magnitude more humans than Neanderthals. This is probably due to humans being able to exploit far more varied food resources including small animals, plants, steppe animals, fish etc. and being able to migrate long distances to exploit meagre resources over a wider area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neanderthals were not the stupid brutes that the Victorians imagined they were. However they were very different from humans in a number of ways, and these probably contributed to their eventual demise.</p>
<p>1) Studies of muscle attachments show Neanderthals were about twice as strong as humans, and injury patterns show that they killed large animals with thrusting spears in close in hand to hand engagements. Neanderthals are built for ambush hunting from fixed sites.</p>
<p>Studies of humans show that far from being nature&#8217;s wimps in terms physical ability as is usually presumed, in one aspect &#8211; endurance running, humans can beat all other animals hands down. When it comes to running down animals over a distance of 5 to 25 miles, humans can best all other animals except the horse family and the dog family. Humans can also beat horses and dogs at any distance over 5 miles in hot weather like they would encounter in their native Africa. Humans are built for following migrating herds and hunting by running animals down. Studies have shown that early humans used projectile weapons including spear throwers to kill at a distance rather than getting close in.</p>
<p>The two different lifestyles would have given humans and Neanderthals different advantages and disadvantages in different environments. However the change from forest to steppe would definitely favoured humans.</p>
<p>2) It isn&#8217;t true to say Neanderthals were more intelligent than humans, although Neanderthals certainly weren&#8217;t stupid brutes. The fact is that we simply don&#8217;t know. We know Neanderthals had marginally larger brains than modern humans, but humans displayed a far more complex culture and social behaviour, including the making of ornaments, works of art etc. &#8211; traits which are distinctly human. </p>
<p>There is one major developmental difference between humans and Neanderthals which has been proven scientifically by examining teeth for daily growth ring patterns. Neanderthals reached adulthood at eight years old, and dis not go through a teenage phase &#8211; like chimpanzees, while humans reach reproductive age at 12-14 years and are not fully grown until 16-18 years. Human brain development is unusually prolonged, and isn&#8217;t complete until 18-20 years or more than three times the time it takes Neanderthals to develop fully. What this slow development allows is for the human brain is being rewired according to environmental experiences. In particular, a human child has an incredible and innate ability to assimilate language at a phenomenal rate &#8211; something adults cannot later match. The language learning ability is the ability to recognise patterns and associations in this case in speech. However it is paralleled in other forms of symbolic recognition &#8211; writing, music, visual representations in the form of art work etc. which are all particular characteristic of humans. I suspect that like human adults who find it difficult to match the language learning abilities of children, Neanderthals would have found it difficult to match humans in the ability to learn language and abstract symbolic representations despite their slightly larger brains. Put simply, humans can more efficiently use their brain cells for abstract concepts, because they leave brain development late, and so can hardwire their brains to match specific languages and symbolic representations.</p>
<p>This would have made Neanderthals culturally more simple, and less able to pass on complicated information from one generation to another &#8211; for example explaining how to find a migration route hundreds of miles long to somebody who has never seen it before, or recounting far flung relatives and explaining which of these owe you favours, or proving you are who you are to relatives who owe you a favour by recounting old childhood memories only you would know. </p>
<p>3) Recent evidence has supported the &#8220;swamped 10 to 1 by immigrants&#8221; theory as the reason for the extinction of the Neanderthals. The question is how humans were able to exist in larger numbers in Europe when the Neanderthals were better adapted physically to Europe, and would have been able to breed faster because they reached adulthood at only eight years old. </p>
<p>There is only one answer to this question, and that is that humans must have been able to exploit Europe more intensively than Neanderthals in order for the area to be able to support an order of magnitude more humans than Neanderthals. This is probably due to humans being able to exploit far more varied food resources including small animals, plants, steppe animals, fish etc. and being able to migrate long distances to exploit meagre resources over a wider area.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-29896</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My theory for the difference between human and Neanderthal tools is that human tools were made long and thin not to be more functional or more efficient, but rather to be more portable - kind of like mobile phones to the Neanderthal&#039;s land line phones - not necessarily more functional but certainly much lighter. 

The reason? Simple - humans were nomadic following migrating herds, whereas Neanderthals lived and stayed put at fixed sites in valleys where they could ambush migrating herds. Being nomadic means that you need to carry additional flint or flint blades with you to cover for blade breakages, but you don&#039;t want to carry excessive weight. This means humans would adopt a technology that would produce the lightest blades compromising on functionality a little if necessary, whereas Neanderthals would aim to produce the most functional blades regardless of weight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory for the difference between human and Neanderthal tools is that human tools were made long and thin not to be more functional or more efficient, but rather to be more portable &#8211; kind of like mobile phones to the Neanderthal&#8217;s land line phones &#8211; not necessarily more functional but certainly much lighter. </p>
<p>The reason? Simple &#8211; humans were nomadic following migrating herds, whereas Neanderthals lived and stayed put at fixed sites in valleys where they could ambush migrating herds. Being nomadic means that you need to carry additional flint or flint blades with you to cover for blade breakages, but you don&#8217;t want to carry excessive weight. This means humans would adopt a technology that would produce the lightest blades compromising on functionality a little if necessary, whereas Neanderthals would aim to produce the most functional blades regardless of weight.</p>
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		<title>By: SPM</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 02:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually East Asians, South Asians, American Indians and all other non-African populations have about the same number of Neanderthal genes. The only explanation for this is that humans did not interbreed with European Neanderthals, but with an early human-Neanderthal hybrid in what is now Israel where human and Neanderthal populations overlapped. This probably means humans and Neanderthals could net interbreed to produce fertile offspring, but humans and early human-Neanderthal hybrids could.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually East Asians, South Asians, American Indians and all other non-African populations have about the same number of Neanderthal genes. The only explanation for this is that humans did not interbreed with European Neanderthals, but with an early human-Neanderthal hybrid in what is now Israel where human and Neanderthal populations overlapped. This probably means humans and Neanderthals could net interbreed to produce fertile offspring, but humans and early human-Neanderthal hybrids could.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorth</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-23943</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 17:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong on every count. 
1) Evidence suggests they had both.
2) Max Plank study suggests up to 5% of modern non-African DNA is from Neanderthals
3) Shanidar and countless other burials say you are wrong
4) They made first class tools
5) They had hearths]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong on every count.<br />
1) Evidence suggests they had both.<br />
2) Max Plank study suggests up to 5% of modern non-African DNA is from Neanderthals<br />
3) Shanidar and countless other burials say you are wrong<br />
4) They made first class tools<br />
5) They had hearths</p>
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		<title>By: Neanderthal Man</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-22311</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neanderthal Man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as I can see there is no single piece of evidence that could refute the following hypothesis (but lots of pointers in favor of it): 

Neanderthals were more capable and more intelligent on average than their contemporary and modern homo sapiens. The reason they died out is simply due to unequal population numbers over a long time span - with the less intelligent humans possibly breeding more quickly and being able to rely on a virtually endless supply of new arrivals from the Middle East and Africa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can see there is no single piece of evidence that could refute the following hypothesis (but lots of pointers in favor of it): </p>
<p>Neanderthals were more capable and more intelligent on average than their contemporary and modern homo sapiens. The reason they died out is simply due to unequal population numbers over a long time span &#8211; with the less intelligent humans possibly breeding more quickly and being able to rely on a virtually endless supply of new arrivals from the Middle East and Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: terryt</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-18972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terryt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 01:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I would laff my butt off if you found you had Neanderthal genes&quot;.  

I assume he or she is one of those people desperate to put as much distance between humans and all other species as possible.  Such people are a danger to our long-term survival, although that probably won&#039;t affect me individually so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would laff my butt off if you found you had Neanderthal genes&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I assume he or she is one of those people desperate to put as much distance between humans and all other species as possible.  Such people are a danger to our long-term survival, although that probably won&#8217;t affect me individually so much.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkF</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-18939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is so funny. You really need to go have a DNA test done since they have shown that a portion of the European peoples have Neanderthal genes that people like the Chinese or those from Africa do not.

I would laff my butt off if you found you had Neanderthal genes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so funny. You really need to go have a DNA test done since they have shown that a portion of the European peoples have Neanderthal genes that people like the Chinese or those from Africa do not.</p>
<p>I would laff my butt off if you found you had Neanderthal genes.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkF</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-18938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It occurs to me that your assumptions of what a Neanderthal could or could not do are not supported by the fossil evidence. Your conclusions are supported only by guesses made by the same camp of people who say parrots only mimic words or the great apes cannot communicate with sign language, but are only mimicking what they see.
Your very verbose and would lead one to think you are a philosophy type person rather than a hard science type person.
You should learn that hard facts always trump &quot;logical&quot; thought processes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that your assumptions of what a Neanderthal could or could not do are not supported by the fossil evidence. Your conclusions are supported only by guesses made by the same camp of people who say parrots only mimic words or the great apes cannot communicate with sign language, but are only mimicking what they see.<br />
Your very verbose and would lead one to think you are a philosophy type person rather than a hard science type person.<br />
You should learn that hard facts always trump &#8220;logical&#8221; thought processes.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-18679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever try to make a Levallois core and point? If you had, you would know that they were probably smarter than most sapiens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever try to make a Levallois core and point? If you had, you would know that they were probably smarter than most sapiens.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Ward</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/26/on-neandertal-stone-tools-estimations-of-their-intelligence/#comment-15768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Billy Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know I was supposed to join to leave a comment.</p>
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