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	<title>Comments on: Integrating Ancient DNA In A Reconstruction Of A 43,000 Year Old Neandertal</title>
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		<title>By: Kambiz Kamrani</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12658</link>
		<dc:creator>Kambiz Kamrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, Chris Reinking, what about a very smug Bel Geddes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Chris Reinking, what about a very smug Bel Geddes?</p>
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		<title>By: Amiya Sarkar</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12518</link>
		<dc:creator>Amiya Sarkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renditions like this are bound to have artistic biases of gender and ethnicity, to say the least. Also, one picture is not, definitely, representative of a whole population sample. There will always be &#039;standard&#039; deviations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renditions like this are bound to have artistic biases of gender and ethnicity, to say the least. Also, one picture is not, definitely, representative of a whole population sample. There will always be &#8217;standard&#8217; deviations.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Reinking</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12464</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Reinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My best guess is that Wilma didn&#039;t look like Barbara Bel Geddes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My best guess is that Wilma didn&#8217;t look like Barbara Bel Geddes.</p>
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		<title>By: chris sloan</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12463</link>
		<dc:creator>chris sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a senior editor at National Geographic magazine and was its art director for many years. Since the early days of the magazine, National Geographic has had several roles including funding science, funding education, and presenting information about the world to an audience. These roles can be confusing to folks on the outside because from the outside, the National Geographic Society appears monolithic. But it is a complex organization that includes grant giving entities, entities concerned with public education, and media and exhibit entities, and many more. The Society once had a peer-reviewed research journal where scientists reported on their work, but there is no such science publication at NGS today. National Geographic magazine does not see itself as a science magazine. It is a general interest magazine and we cover science among many things. But we don&#039;t consider the magazine entertainment either. We take our articles seriously and do the best we can to present excellent journalism. And, as is well known, there is an emphasis on excellent visual journalism.

In that context, the Neandertal article concept presented an opportunity to do something special. The thrust of the story was &quot;what&#039;s new?&quot; So the thrust of the visuals became &quot;what&#039;s new?&quot; as well. And what was new was genetic information that could have implications for appearance. This new genetic information combined with new skeletal information is what made us feel that a compelling visual could be produced by reconstructing a three-dimensional Neandertal. We also thought that modeling a woman would be a fresh approach.

Is it the same sort of reconstruction a scientist would make? No. Was it based on good information and prepared in consultation with scientists? Yes. 

As I learned when I was Art Director, there are only a few artists in the world who are qualified to do such reconstructions. The Kennis brothers, based in the Netherlands, are two of them. Their work is well known from European museums. 

There is no question there is a lot of artistry in such reconstructions, but in my opinion, one should not be too critical of them. We may not know whether a Neandertal had straight or curly hair, but an artist does not have the luxury of leaving the model bald. Our goals are to make these reconstructions as accurate as possible and as attractive as possible. They are what they are, a best guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a senior editor at National Geographic magazine and was its art director for many years. Since the early days of the magazine, National Geographic has had several roles including funding science, funding education, and presenting information about the world to an audience. These roles can be confusing to folks on the outside because from the outside, the National Geographic Society appears monolithic. But it is a complex organization that includes grant giving entities, entities concerned with public education, and media and exhibit entities, and many more. The Society once had a peer-reviewed research journal where scientists reported on their work, but there is no such science publication at NGS today. National Geographic magazine does not see itself as a science magazine. It is a general interest magazine and we cover science among many things. But we don&#8217;t consider the magazine entertainment either. We take our articles seriously and do the best we can to present excellent journalism. And, as is well known, there is an emphasis on excellent visual journalism.</p>
<p>In that context, the Neandertal article concept presented an opportunity to do something special. The thrust of the story was &#8220;what&#8217;s new?&#8221; So the thrust of the visuals became &#8220;what&#8217;s new?&#8221; as well. And what was new was genetic information that could have implications for appearance. This new genetic information combined with new skeletal information is what made us feel that a compelling visual could be produced by reconstructing a three-dimensional Neandertal. We also thought that modeling a woman would be a fresh approach.</p>
<p>Is it the same sort of reconstruction a scientist would make? No. Was it based on good information and prepared in consultation with scientists? Yes. </p>
<p>As I learned when I was Art Director, there are only a few artists in the world who are qualified to do such reconstructions. The Kennis brothers, based in the Netherlands, are two of them. Their work is well known from European museums. </p>
<p>There is no question there is a lot of artistry in such reconstructions, but in my opinion, one should not be too critical of them. We may not know whether a Neandertal had straight or curly hair, but an artist does not have the luxury of leaving the model bald. Our goals are to make these reconstructions as accurate as possible and as attractive as possible. They are what they are, a best guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Scape</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12444</link>
		<dc:creator>Scape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think nat geo has always been a &#039;science entertainer&#039;, just now the quality of relative science for entertainment is not worth-mentionable into an actual show.
It does reaffirm that subtle schema we all have that we are not too far off from that, it is proven that we coexisted pre-neandertal &#039;absorbtion&#039;.

Great read, I totally landed on this by complete whim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think nat geo has always been a &#8217;science entertainer&#8217;, just now the quality of relative science for entertainment is not worth-mentionable into an actual show.<br />
It does reaffirm that subtle schema we all have that we are not too far off from that, it is proven that we coexisted pre-neandertal &#8216;absorbtion&#8217;.</p>
<p>Great read, I totally landed on this by complete whim.</p>
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		<title>By: Kambiz Kamrani</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12440</link>
		<dc:creator>Kambiz Kamrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis,

Thanks for the excellent comment. You hit some key points that I didn&#039;t make either because I didn&#039;t think about it or couldn&#039;t articulate. 

While the National Geographic Society does fund some basic science research and fieldwork, I no longer consider them to be an academic institution but rather science entertainers. This reconstruction is a clear example of their decision to make something entertaining. 

Why?

As mentioned, it is not clear how many individuals were used to make model. Multiple individuals would affect the final outcome. And differences in age and sex, even antiquity and locality can affect the morphology represented. 

Furthermore, if multiple individuals were used, which they were, the people responsible for the reconstruction possibly picked and chose which definitive alleles responsible for skin, eye, and hair color phenotype. As you mentioned, other alleles, such as curly/straight hair and the shape of the upper eyelid are also genetically regulated and vary amongst people. 

That all said, reconstructions of human ancestors have in the past been subject to a bit more artistic freedom. In other words, we&#039;ve assumed that Neandertals have been light skinned since they are found throughout Eurasia. But, we haven&#039;t known for sure until recent advances in ancient DNA sequencing. We can now identify some more definitive traits without conjecture.

Anyways, I appreciate the comment.

Kambiz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis,</p>
<p>Thanks for the excellent comment. You hit some key points that I didn&#8217;t make either because I didn&#8217;t think about it or couldn&#8217;t articulate. </p>
<p>While the National Geographic Society does fund some basic science research and fieldwork, I no longer consider them to be an academic institution but rather science entertainers. This reconstruction is a clear example of their decision to make something entertaining. </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>As mentioned, it is not clear how many individuals were used to make model. Multiple individuals would affect the final outcome. And differences in age and sex, even antiquity and locality can affect the morphology represented. </p>
<p>Furthermore, if multiple individuals were used, which they were, the people responsible for the reconstruction possibly picked and chose which definitive alleles responsible for skin, eye, and hair color phenotype. As you mentioned, other alleles, such as curly/straight hair and the shape of the upper eyelid are also genetically regulated and vary amongst people. </p>
<p>That all said, reconstructions of human ancestors have in the past been subject to a bit more artistic freedom. In other words, we&#8217;ve assumed that Neandertals have been light skinned since they are found throughout Eurasia. But, we haven&#8217;t known for sure until recent advances in ancient DNA sequencing. We can now identify some more definitive traits without conjecture.</p>
<p>Anyways, I appreciate the comment.</p>
<p>Kambiz</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/17/integrating-ancient-dna-in-a-reconstruction-of-a-43000-year-old-neandertal/#comment-12438</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all the DNA they seem to have used here is just an unrelated finding that some Neanderthals apparently were redheads (though she looks more like blond). Not much: really just mediatic hype by NG. 

Also I find odd she has such a narrow jaw and such an apparently high forehead. Just make a search for &quot;neanderthal skull&quot; and you&#039;ll see that they had narrow foreheads with prominent brow ridges, proportionally very large faces and, in most cases, wide nose cavities like those modernly found typically among Black Africans (though other nose types also appear now and then). 

Certainly I do not know how was her specific skull anyhow. But from the article I gather that they have no idea on how were other traits like hair type (why straight?), eyes (why the partial epicanthic fold?), that have certainly been imagined from their own fantasy. 

Calling this the first Neanderthal reconstruction based on DNA is pure nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all the DNA they seem to have used here is just an unrelated finding that some Neanderthals apparently were redheads (though she looks more like blond). Not much: really just mediatic hype by NG. </p>
<p>Also I find odd she has such a narrow jaw and such an apparently high forehead. Just make a search for &#8220;neanderthal skull&#8221; and you&#8217;ll see that they had narrow foreheads with prominent brow ridges, proportionally very large faces and, in most cases, wide nose cavities like those modernly found typically among Black Africans (though other nose types also appear now and then). </p>
<p>Certainly I do not know how was her specific skull anyhow. But from the article I gather that they have no idea on how were other traits like hair type (why straight?), eyes (why the partial epicanthic fold?), that have certainly been imagined from their own fantasy. </p>
<p>Calling this the first Neanderthal reconstruction based on DNA is pure nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: terryt</title>
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		<dc:creator>terryt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bass player in my band looks like the picture, especially after a tough gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bass player in my band looks like the picture, especially after a tough gig.</p>
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		<title>By: DDeden</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDeden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No chubby cheeks? What about all that &quot;Neandertals were cold adapted&quot; stuff? (Although cannibalizing often indicates starvation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No chubby cheeks? What about all that &#8220;Neandertals were cold adapted&#8221; stuff? (Although cannibalizing often indicates starvation.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. The gene for propensity to bathe must be a derived trait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. The gene for propensity to bathe must be a derived trait.</p>
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