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	<title>Comments on: The Impact Of Polygyny On Human Genetic Variation</title>
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	<description>Beyond bones &#38; stones</description>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops... the Biaka (Pygmies) are also hunter-gatherers and they show a more average &quot;polygynistic&quot; trend (almost as high as the Han and Mandenka). Still hunter-gatherers appear to show the lower levels of this trend overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230; the Biaka (Pygmies) are also hunter-gatherers and they show a more average &#8220;polygynistic&#8221; trend (almost as high as the Han and Mandenka). Still hunter-gatherers appear to show the lower levels of this trend overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://anthropology.net/2008/09/26/the-impact-of-polygyny-on-human-genetic-variation/#comment-12548</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have the same question. We know that Melanesians tend to be polygynic (I&#039;m thinking of Papuans specifically) but the other high &quot;polygyny&quot; group are Northern Basques (the only European pop. sampled) and there is no record of Basques practicing polygamy at all (instead the monogamic household is a national institution).  

Humboldt instead mentioned in the early 19th century that pre-marriage promiscuity was common amon Basques and that marriages often happened when the girl became pregnant (not necesarily of her primary boyfriend, but hard to know). We know also that deeper in the past (as late as the 16th century) Basques practiced pagan or &quot;witchcraft&quot; ceremonies that were pretty much orgiastic (community sex on friday night under the influence of drugs, possibly stramonium). 

So I do suspect that this &quot;polygynic&quot; reproductive bias can be achieved by very different means: either by the typical patriarchal &quot;harem&quot; or by the less obvious women-led selection of prefered fathers in a relatively promiscuous context.  

The lowest level of &quot;polygynic&quot; bias was shown, maybe meaningfully, by the only hunter-gatherer sample: the Bushmen (San), who do not appear (AFAIK) to be either polygamous nor particularly promiscuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have the same question. We know that Melanesians tend to be polygynic (I&#8217;m thinking of Papuans specifically) but the other high &#8220;polygyny&#8221; group are Northern Basques (the only European pop. sampled) and there is no record of Basques practicing polygamy at all (instead the monogamic household is a national institution).  </p>
<p>Humboldt instead mentioned in the early 19th century that pre-marriage promiscuity was common amon Basques and that marriages often happened when the girl became pregnant (not necesarily of her primary boyfriend, but hard to know). We know also that deeper in the past (as late as the 16th century) Basques practiced pagan or &#8220;witchcraft&#8221; ceremonies that were pretty much orgiastic (community sex on friday night under the influence of drugs, possibly stramonium). </p>
<p>So I do suspect that this &#8220;polygynic&#8221; reproductive bias can be achieved by very different means: either by the typical patriarchal &#8220;harem&#8221; or by the less obvious women-led selection of prefered fathers in a relatively promiscuous context.  </p>
<p>The lowest level of &#8220;polygynic&#8221; bias was shown, maybe meaningfully, by the only hunter-gatherer sample: the Bushmen (San), who do not appear (AFAIK) to be either polygamous nor particularly promiscuous.</p>
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		<title>By: ArcAsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArcAsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I have often had some trouble with genetic studies of human populations in prehistory since they seldom take complicated factors such as continual intermarriage across ethnic groups, kinship systems, or adultery/rape/prostitution into account IMO.

Question: Some modern studies have shown that a lot of children do not have the father their mother claim. of course, in a repressive patriarchal system adultery by married women tends to be less but do researchers take into account that there are a lot of offspring produced &#039;on the wrong side of the marital bed&#039;? Is it only institutional polygyny, or married women taking lovers their husband do not knpw about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I have often had some trouble with genetic studies of human populations in prehistory since they seldom take complicated factors such as continual intermarriage across ethnic groups, kinship systems, or adultery/rape/prostitution into account IMO.</p>
<p>Question: Some modern studies have shown that a lot of children do not have the father their mother claim. of course, in a repressive patriarchal system adultery by married women tends to be less but do researchers take into account that there are a lot of offspring produced &#8216;on the wrong side of the marital bed&#8217;? Is it only institutional polygyny, or married women taking lovers their husband do not knpw about?</p>
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